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22 POINT CHECKLIST TRUTH
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Debra Pomeroy’s
training in the use of the 22 point checklist. Debra
Pomeroy, Expert witness and Animal Control Officer/Trainer breed
identification. Dino
Da Fre Vs Logan City Council, 1st and 2nd of March
2006, Magistrate Cornack. (“Debra Pomeroy and the 22 point
checklist; was she trained and how many times can she lie before she gets
caught out”). Page 23, Line 36, Stephen
Fynes-Clinton, Barrister Questioning I
mean and maybe not just on paper, because we’re taught to use that point
system in a different way but I’m not quite sure what he thinks is
absent from the checklist Page 40, Line 3, Stephen
Fynes-Clinton, Barrister Questioning The
same thing we’ve done or the only difference is we’re trained to –
to do it and trained to put on the point system and – and she isn’t. (‘This is where she tries to blame anyone
else but herself, who invented the 22 point checklist”), Page
46, Line 16, Stephen Fynes-Clinton, Barrister Questioning With
respect to the actual document itself, this 22 point check list, do you
know who was the person responsible for creating that document? I mean,
who was the author of that document?---- Oh, that was – would have been
members of SEQROC working committee so it would have been people from
councils all over South East Queensland. It – it doesn’t belong to one
person, it wasn’t created by one person. It was created by a team of
people. Page 77, Line 29, Stephen
Fynes-Clinton, Barrister Questioning All
right. Let’s just stop there. So what you’re – so what you’re now
saying to the Court is that you now recall that the 22 point test was
developed by a working party of some sort?---Yes, I’m pretty sure I said
that before. And
you were part of that working party?.---I was. Right.
Who were the other parties on that working party? -- Members from other
councils. As to their names, I could probably get that information for you
but I just ---and---and fairly quickly--- but I----I just can’t recall
who was actually involved in that working commitment----- Do you believe
that they were---sorry?----Working party. But
do you believe that they were employed officers of other councils, members
of staff of other councils? -- I think so, yeah. I do think so. I
wouldn’t like to say I’m 100 per cent sure but I do ----do think so. (Who trained Ms Pomeroy to use the 22 point
checklist?) Page 67, Line 52, Bench
Questioning. Bench:
I don’t think that’s the question.
How did you learn to use the 22 point scale?
Who trained you to do that? -- There’s no training for
exactly-----the 22 point system, the training is for the breed standards. So,
you didn’t get any specific training? -- Not on the 22 point system, no. Page 68, Line 14, Stephen
Fynes-Clinton, Barrister Questioning What
training have you done, if any, where a person put in front of you a 22
point system check list and explained to you how it was developed and how
to use it?---None. Page 84, Line 45, Stephen
Fynes-Clinton, Barrister Questioning Well,
we’re here about breed identification ----? ----Yeah. -------so
let’s limit it to that. So, it’s true then, isn’t it, that you have
never been trained by anybody in the theory methodology or application of
the 22 point test?.-----I don’t see it that way, but--------- Well,
who’s trained you, when and where, please?------I’ve been----not in
the -----okay, to the letter of what you’re saying, no I agree with you,
I agree with you. Is
there something else you want to say, feel free to say it? -----No, no,
I’ve------no, I don’t want to confuse anybody. To the answer to your
question in the 22 point system, the answer no. You’re
self taught? -----No, not really. Right,
so who’s taught you about the 22 point system?------This is really
difficult, like------Well, it shouldn’t be?---------- the 22 point
system is breed standards, nobody’s -----as I just said, nobody’s
taught me to actually use the 22 point system, but I am----- have been
trained in reading breed standards, that’s what the 22 point system is. All
right. And your training in reading breed standards is three days with Ms
Fox, correct?-----No, I wouldn’t put it down to just three days
with----with----- Who
else has taught you in a formal way---------? ----with Ms Fox. ------To
read breed standards? ---- In a formal way, no, the rest is from---- from
research and--- and books---- You’re
self taught? -----That’s correct. And
of course, you now teach the 22 point system, don’t you? ----That’s
correct. Page 85, Line 42, Stephen
Fynes-Clinton, Barrister Questioning The
– the materials used in that training are---are prepared by you?
---That’s correct. Right.
They’re not prepared by anybody else, there’s no other person has an
input into that material?-----Somebody would’ve typed it, but yeah. Righto.
I think [indistinct] clear. Professional consultant, scientist, dog
reader, veterinarian?-------No, no, no, no. The
intellectual input’s entirely your own? ----Mmm-hmm, that’s correct,
that’s correct. Page 93, Line 31, Stephen
Fynes-Clinton, Barrister Questioning Well,
who trains you to look above and beyond the 22 points? – The breed
standards tell me to do that. There’s a lot more in there than what is
on the 22 points. Well,
who trains you to do that? – I’m self-taught. (“Then we asked her to validate using
breed standards for identification of a suspected dog, well what can I say
truly a great answer”). Page 63, Line 40, Stephen
Fynes-Clinton, Barrister Questioning Well,
my question to you is this. Can you identify for this Court a professional
or technical text or journal written by a dog breeder, a dog judge, a dog
scientist, or some other recognised animal professional that recognises or
gives credence to your 22 point test. I’m looking for a single journal
somewhere in the world that describes the methodology of the 22 point test
and how it works? – I don’t believe there would be one. Nowhere
in the world?. --- I don’t –to my knowledge it’s only used here in
Australia. So, I presume that there wouldn’t be anything else. Page 136, Line 30,
Stephen Fynes Clinton, Barrister Questioning But
I asked you the question yesterday, just so there’s been no change over
night, the—you can point to no document from, for example, a body that
publishes breed standards saying, “Breed standards may also be used for
breeder ID”?,----No. No, I can’t point to a document that says that.
You can’t point to any text book that says that that’s a valid use of
breed standards?.----No. Conclusions: Ms Pomeroy, a self taught expert, using a
theory she made up herself, could not find anyone else in the world who
would validate or support it, sat on a sub-committee, invented a document
called the 22 point checklist, to identify a suspected dog as an American
pit bull terrier, then used this tool to justify and take peoples property
and convince the courts they were all experts,
then went about training other animal control officers how to do the same. As if this is not bad enough, Logan City
Council and the Gold Coast City Council has done everything they can to
conceal and cover up this information, ask Geoff Irwin, Supervisor Gold
Coast City Council, Animal Control, why he has done nothing about this
when he was informed about it 2 years ago
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